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Hi
I have just applied on-line to tax my Traveller and have been given the option of an MoT exemption

Traveller is modified by fitting:
1275cc Midget engine
Ford Type 9 gearbox
Mk II escort rear axle

The Gov.uk notes on MoT exemption state that if modified the following applies to gain an exemption:

Engine – alternative cubic capacities of the
same basic engine and alternative original
equipment engines (if the number of cylinders
in an engine is different from the original it is
unlikely to be alternative original equipment).
• Axles and running gear – changes made to
improve efficiency, safety or environmental
performance


Does my Traveller modifications fall into the above categories to get an MoT exemption?



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In my opinion, your traveller is MOT exempt as it follows the guidelines laid down by DVLA. However, I'm not a fan of cars being exempt from MOT's and whilst the onus is on the owner to maintain their car in a roadworthy condition, many don't, and as a result run vehicles which present a danger to themselves and others. Having seen some 3 year old cars coming in for a first MOT it beggars believe the lack of maintenance. An MOT inspection may highlight an issue you were unaware of, and in the event of an accident, the fact you've had the car inspected should give you brownie points. Also, a car that has no MOT get's flagged by ANPR, and there are uninformed police officers out there who may pull you over, so an mot may save this hassle.

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I think it is still a bit of a grey area.

At one point I thought I had read somewhere that the cc increase had to be less than 25% however the latest documents don't seem to mention that.

I also think a lot depends on how you interpret the sentence;

Engine – alternative cubic capacities of the same basic engine and alternative original equipment engines are not considered a substantial change.

If you read the "and" as the alternative cc had to also be offered as alternative original equipment then unfortunately it would mean you could upgrade a 1098 midget to 1275, but not a minor.

If you read the "and" as an "or" it means you could and the sentence then means you could update a Mk 4 1300 Cortina to either a 1600 if it was still the Kent engine or to a 2.3 V6 because it was alternative original equipment.

Obviously it is better for us to say the 1275 is a variation on the A series so allowable.

Gearbox is good for the environment as it gives 5th gear so lower revving at motorway speeds and therefore less pollution.

Axle is a safety issue as it has given better rear brakes and an environmental one as it is a higher ratio one so the engine turns slower and pollutes less.

It is safest to get one, but then it only says your car was roadworthy on that day anyway.

Equally there is nothing to stop you taxing as MOT exempt and asking a tester to do it without putting it on the computer. A second pair of eyes going round it on a ramp or pit and a quick spin on the rollers is never a bad thing. they usually have two to do it or get you to twiddle the steering etc so it preferable to a one man check on the floor.

So at the end of the day I think the choice is yours as you could argue either way.

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As Custard says a grey area because strictly speaking the car has been modified alot with all of running gear .
I still Mot both of my Moggies as I consider it a cheap insurance policy to cover me should the worst happen.


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The last time I took my Traveller for an MOT a couple of years ago, the fairly young lad at the counter (not the usual older, more thorough guy) said something along the lines of "it's really too old for us to be bothered with, but we'll test it at your own risk...", then they passed it after what was probably a pretty cursory inspection! Probably because they couldn't plug it into a diagnostics machine and charge silly money for some sensor or other, I suspect.

Anyway, I suspect you're OK with a 1275cc A-series (like mine has), because it's the same basic engine design and appearance.

Changing to other manufacturer's parts such as Ford/Fiat, etc. bits is probably a bit of a grey area though, but it all assumes anyone looking at the car even knows what parts they are off, since one back axle, for example, looks very similar to another of that age; only the expert would even know of any such change!

I had Ford ventilated discs professionally fitted by a Minor specialist to mine a few years ago, and declared it to the insurance company, who seemed OK with it.


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Thank you all very much for taking the time to reply.
On balance I'll not take advantage of the exemption for the reasons stated and for my own piece of mind.

MoT is due on 17 May but I will take advantage of the "Covid" extension!



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The extension is ok and well, but when you mot it, it will only be until a year after your missed date - not the 18 months folk think.

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ooh I hadn't spotted that in anything I read.

That really is illogical. Not that that ever affecting making a regulation.

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My MOT mate told me about that, but it's not widely known.

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I am sure everyone thinks that the "extension" extended the existing MoT by six months :roll:



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Well for various reasons that would probably have been the easiest and least risk option.

One date field move it on and everything else works as normal.

But we wont know for sure until October when the first of those due on 1st April would be due, or perhaps September if someone goes early for a 13 month MOT.

It wouldn't be the first time something was said that the IT system didn't support.

Sad, but I will be very interested to see what happens. :oops:

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