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Re: My traveller Maude

Postby Panky » Tue Dec 20, 2016 9:38 pm

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Re: My traveller Maude

Postby The vast minority » Tue Dec 20, 2016 10:01 pm

Extra glass does feature in the maddest of the ideas but not in the roof or the sides which doesn't leave much eh.....

Think relocated internal alloy fuel tank as well and the basis of the mad idea begins to dawn......

Like I say, it's mad but then so am I and I'll go through several rethinks In the coming week.

Anyone got a chromed escort axle for sale ? .....
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Re: My traveller Maude

Postby Custard » Wed Dec 21, 2016 8:43 am

Are we going red lights under the floor like we had in the 70s. :D

Just don't jack it up please. :D

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Re: My traveller Maude

Postby Panky » Wed Dec 21, 2016 9:38 am

Massive fish tank 8)
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Re: My traveller Maude

Postby woodywoodchipper » Wed Dec 21, 2016 5:01 pm

Skip.................................... oh no sorry I've got one.
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Re: My traveller Maude

Postby The vast minority » Sat Dec 24, 2016 12:39 pm

Glad to say I'm over the glass idea, I've got a sensible idea now.

Been hard at work with the wood, the welding is scheduled for between Christmas and New Year.

Roy's policy of never using in the rain and copiously applied teak oil has paid off in a big way as can be appreciated from this pic. There is no rot anywhere on the wood. Just the slightest discolouration under the bolt heads which will be gone today after I've bleached it. The holes are going to be pumped with preservative and I'll probably go for varnish as a top-coat as the car will always be garaged.

Nothing set in stone yet so might still end up oiling it.
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Re: My traveller Maude

Postby Custard » Sat Dec 24, 2016 5:33 pm

"Been hard at work with the wood, the welding is scheduled for between Christmas and New Year. "

You can't weld wood - just sayin :D

Seriously though it has come up well. I guess varnish has come on a long way since I had mine. Mine flaked off, but while it was my only vehicle for a few years and was always on the road, I did think the sun was as much a threat to the varnish as the damp was.

Some where on here JLH listed his approach to wood treatment, it was labour intensive, used different products and had many coats, but the finish was good.

Not sure if you were at Pateley Bridge when 2 Fry brought "Bad Ash" it has an excellent finish too, but I never asked him what he had used.

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Re: My traveller Maude

Postby The vast minority » Mon Dec 26, 2016 4:02 pm

Someone in the past has seam welded the boxing panel to the inner sill along the top, they also seam welded the floor to the inner sill so I've got a lot of struggling still to do before I get the welder out. Took hours to get the rotten section of boxing panel out whilst trying to be as gentle as poss with the inner sill.

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Re: My traveller Maude

Postby The vast minority » Mon Dec 26, 2016 4:03 pm

Custard wrote:"Been hard at work with the wood, the welding is scheduled for between Christmas and New Year. "

You can't weld wood - just sayin :D

Seriously though it has come up well. I guess varnish has come on a long way since I had mine. Mine flaked off, but while it was my only vehicle for a few years and was always on the road, I did think the sun was as much a threat to the varnish as the damp was.

Some where on here JLH listed his approach to wood treatment, it was labour intensive, used different products and had many coats, but the finish was good.

Not sure if you were at Pateley Bridge when 2 Fry brought "Bad Ash" it has an excellent finish too, but I never asked him what he had used.

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Nice one Sean, I won't try to weld the wood then matey. Lol
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Re: My traveller Maude

Postby The vast minority » Wed Dec 28, 2016 1:38 pm

Change of plan as I'm finding more and more to do and don't want to weld nice new panels into badly welded and patched stuff.

The underseal is hiding things that I'm not leaving alone as I won't be happy with it.

Thus, I've ordered a rollover jig and will spend the time I was going to spend doing the welding, stripping out the car whilst I wait for delivery. Axle and engine, box, prop out tomorrow.

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Re: My traveller Maude

Postby olderisbetter » Wed Dec 28, 2016 5:19 pm

Underseal hides so much, i have a 58 traveller and when i do start looking into going through it i will start by thinking its all bad and then anything else is a bonus ... but Maude looks like your doing a great job.
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Re: My traveller Maude

Postby The vast minority » Wed Dec 28, 2016 7:21 pm

olderisbetter wrote:Underseal hides so much, i have a 58 traveller and when i do start looking into going through it i will start by thinking its all bad and then anything else is a bonus ... but Maude looks like your doing a great job.


It sure does! I'm not at all sure just how much it's hiding but it's all coming off, every last bit. I've said before and I'll say it again, Roy told me there be problems under the underseal. I feel awkward drawing attention to the problems of the car as it is so well known but I'm sure Roy would approve of the fact she is getting sorted out.

Good luck when you start, I've just done another 2 hours thus evening of underseal stripping from the bits I can get to without lying under the car. It's all going to be worth it and Maude will shine for it.

Thanks for your positive encouragement :D
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Re: My traveller Maude

Postby Custard » Wed Dec 28, 2016 10:55 pm

Yes, as you know from the chemical industry, that is one area where things have changed a lot since the Minor was built.

The old bitumen style underseal just lost its grip on the steel and then held the moisture in and did more harm than good.

All be worth it when its done.

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Re: My traveller Maude

Postby The vast minority » Thu Dec 29, 2016 7:56 am

Custard wrote:Al,
copied and pasted from my thread on car rolling for this project so that I can keep a complete history here.

Thanks Sean, really appreciate your effort here, this will help me a lot for sure.

When you get it you will see you have a couple more options.

My brother and I order the Mini one as it has special mounts for rear parcel shelf and front subframe mounts, but ordered the Minor mounts as well at the same time.
Very sensible indeed. I talked to the guy yesterday and he explained that he would be supplying both the saloon and the traveller mounting options. I cant imagine how they differ at the moment as I don't have a saloon to compare. Perhaps its just the rear hole centres on the bumper mounts.

When you get it you will see how simple it would be to make your own front mount.
Fab, I canna wait ..........

On Custard someone cut the bumper mounts off and welded over the holes in the front panel, the rest of them remain, they should be welded firmly to the stronger curved part of the lower inner wing with a fillet to the tie plate and inner wing much further forward.
Mine are both there but the fillets are both broken at present and the welding to the inner wing on the nearside isn't great. A good strong wiggle of the bumper will result in contact of the mounting bar with the front panel. Obviously this isn't correct and will be sorted out whatever route I take.


I was thinking of the following options;

1) Welding another bar along the existing stump and then replacing the bumper iron as one of the last jobs (because I had not decided if I wanted a front bumper or not)
Personal preference will be your guide and as you say, there are other mounting options.


2) Strengthen the bumper iron first and weld a vertical square plate to it with four holes and then bolt another square plate to it with a stub for the bumper so that I can run with or without bumper without leaving any spikes.
That would have a very agricultural look, certainly functional, obviously would require the bumper fitting for the MOT.

3) Ignore the bumper irons and make a new front jig mount that locates on two squares of steel made to bolt to the engine turret holes.
This is a great suggestion and one I may explore "however" there is a big crack in the underseal in the area of the eyebolt on the nearside that I found yesterday. Because of this I'm fully expecting to find rot on the already patched chassis legs so ill very likely be replacing them. This makes life difficult for mounting on the engine turret holes.

Also,

When you see some of the other cars they have had on these, the weight of the Minor is not really an issue. So much so that as I am a little tight for room, and I am feeling too old for grovelling on the floor as much as I used to, I was going to remove the front uprights and get it on the jig and roll it over and then take the torsion bars and rear axle off while it is on the jig. Then of course it would need moving on the jig to rebalance it.
Brilliant idea, I think ill follow suit on this one, I'm now decided on the self loader/balancer anyway :D ill have a look today after whipping the engine out, if it looks remotely like the job I expect it to be then ill leave it until I can do it standing up with a cup of tea in one hand.

One thing I did notice with the jig, you need to bolt the disc with the holes on it for the locating pin yourself, that needs to be done when the car is at its correct height if you want it to sit straight. We got the car off the ground and it looked right so we bolted it up (you have to drill two holes yourself because they don't know where they need to be) and the car was level. We then found it was too high and we could not do a full rotation in his garage so it was lowered by extending the cross bar and splaying the legs. This then moves the location of the pin relative to the disc so instead of horizontal his now sits more like twenty to two.
Completely understand, this is invaluable information and will certainly be acted upon.

It is not an issue in the slightest but if you know about it first you can get it tidy from the start.
I concur

Also coerce some friends the first time you put it on, it is easy to think it is balanced as it sort of feels right side to side, but it generally isnt top to bottom so when you first roll it, it can get to a point where it either wants to come back or worse go right round quickly. But once set up in the right holes it goes round and you can easily hold it one handed while you put the pin in.
Ill geta couple of big blokes to help with the first roll but hopefully mounting it wont be an issue as ive now supplemented the order with the self loader/balancer. Have a look at it on his website. All you need do is put the shell on axle stands, lower the self loader to fit to the chosen mounting solution and then up up and away like a beautiful balloon.....
copied and pasted from my thread on the subject of car roller for this project.


With regard to leaving the front panel on if you really felt you wanted that extra strength, if you have anything to do in the engine bay then I would consider removing the panel and just making yourself an X with fresh steel at the end of the day it just adds a bit of triangulation between the inner wing and the front cross member, the other bolts are more for stopping the wings flapping and will be out anyway, I presume as you have the wings off. If the wings are off but the front panel on it will stick out a bit and possibly in the way. Sort of thing I tear my overall pockets on.
Point taken, if I weld in extra bracing or naughty word "gussets" ;) for the bumper irons, I wont need the front panel. I could leave the naughty word "gussets" :lol: afterwards or remove as desired. I will be working in the engine bay for sure as ill take the opportunity to sort everything out and paint the entire shell.

Enjoy doing it.
I shall, thanks. Its gone from a minor repair to this, which is now a full rebuild but I don't regret poking one bit.

Once again, thanks for your time and effort mate, ill copy and paste this post into the my traveller Maude thread for the record.

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Re: My traveller Maude

Postby The vast minority » Fri Dec 30, 2016 6:35 pm

A bit busy (mother-in-law) so only managed to get the gearbox cover out today. I'm taking engine and box out together of course. This was its own pig of a job as all but 2 of the screws were rusted solid and the bolts with nuts just span so pretty much everything needed drilling out. I'll be replacing all non-structural fasteners with new stainless anyway so even the 2 that were salvaged are in the bin.

Near side Chassis leg which is the one with the big crack in the under seal near the eyebolt is full of brown water, I'll definitely be replacing both chassis legs completely, with the crossmember.

It really doesn't matter what else I find now, it's already a full on restoration

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Water in the chassis leg and what's that cardboard stuff for? Anti drumming I wonder.

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Getting the cover out was the devil of a job. All fastenings in the bin.
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