Ford pattern wheels

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Hi all, our traveler has been converted to the Ford escort rear end and have the corresponding front brakes with the Ford 4 x 108 mm bolt pattern. What’s out there for wheel options and tire sizes that will fit comfortably in the wheel wells. I don’t really care about putting the widest combination on there honestly I like the original minor steel wheel hubcap combination



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I think you can get Weller Steel wheels with hub caps if that's the way you want to go.

The Minilite copies are easy to get, but with Ford stud pattern you should have a wider choice, you will just need ones designed for a RWD car as the those for the FWD cars tended to be very dished.

Tyre size I have 195 x 50 x 15s and the rolling radius is fairly close to the original cross ply size, but the steering is heavy at parking speeds.

This was a common size (Mazda MX5 Mk2 amongst others) and the tyres were quite reasonable, certainly cheaper than original size tyres.

Also getting a larger wheel and then a lower profile tyre means the wheel has more clearance round the disk brakes.

Just be careful with the inset/offset if you want to avoid flaring the arches, but you have to watch the calipers too so a balancing act.

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Tlea wrote:
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Hi all, our traveler has been converted to the Ford escort rear end and have the corresponding front brakes with the Ford 4 x 108 mm bolt pattern. What’s out there for wheel options and tire sizes that will fit comfortably in the wheel wells. I don’t really care about putting the widest combination on there honestly I like the original minor steel wheel hubcap combination
have a search on here. It covers a lot of US cars. Search by rim size as that gives you the PCD option ( bolt pattern)
https://www.wheel-size.com/#

Personally, I would opt for 15" or possibly a 16" but run the narrow style of tyre. ~ you will need to work out what off set / backset works of the rim so that the tyres do not rub on the guards (fenders lol)

Best bet is to go to your local car scrap yard ( whatever you call them in the states ~ wreckers here in Australia 8) ) and grab a rim that you have picked from the link and test fit. If no good , take it back and swap for another type. ~ get a friendship going with the owner of the yard and I'm sure he will let you swap until you find what you want and then buy off him :wave:

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PS, check what rim size the donor motor's car was running and also the gearbox and final ratio (diff) as the manufacturers spent a few million to make economy work and not over-stress engine, box and diff.


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The original Escort would almost certainly have been running 13" wheels and high profile tyres simply because that's what they were designed for.

The base model of Mk1 may even have been on 12", but the majority were definitely 13".

Nowadays the Rally cars have gone to larger wheels and lower profiles, just like the majority of road cars.

Certainly in the UK it is cheaper to get a good tyre in a common modern size than a smaller narrower high profile one.

Frosty's point about the diff is a good one, but as you have a fair bit more power than the basic Minor its not as critical and I am not sure how much choice you have on the diff. There was a considerable choice because of the variety of Escorts, but if you are just using the one you have, You can compare it with that fitted to the car the engine and box came from.

Similarly you can compare overall tyre sizes with original Escort, Morris and those from the car the engine came from.

Sites like this, (first one I found on Google) are useful.

https://tiresize.com/tyre-size-calculator/

We don't have any breakers/wreckers/scrap yards round here we can just walk around anymore. Certainly hampers design. :(

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Thanks for all the replies. I've done all the calculations regarding power curve etc and its set up with 4.10 gears designed for a 24-25" tire. Ultimately what I'd like to find is a 14 x 4.5/5.0 wheel. I don't know if this exists but would love to have standard steel wheel the original moggy cap fits



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I suppose you could Change the PCD on the half shafts (see Sleepers Zetec), swap the front hubs with those with the correct PCD and use the standard or slightly wider Morris Van wheels.
You'd be able to sell the Ford pattern hubs easily enough(to me?) or perhaps convert them to 4" PCD if possible?



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I gather that 1980's Fox-body Ford Mustangs use the 108mm PCD.


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Eh?



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Tlea wrote:
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Thanks for all the replies. Ultimately what I'd like to find is a 14 x 4.5/5.0 wheel.
your engine with auto will run better on 15" Tlea

Did you have a search for 5" rims on the wheels link I gave above?
I don't know if this exists but would love to have standard steel wheel the original moggy cap fits
Very easy to fit lugs to any steel wheel to fit the morris hubcaps

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First time I have heard anyone say different size wheels would make your engine run better :think

Assuming your 24"/"25" is the overall diameter you can get to 22.7" with either 185 x 60 x 14 or 195 50 15 so a 14" or 15" wheel can give the same overall size tyre. So proportions you are looking for and comfort vs handling with the wall height. So a very personal choice.

Those tyres really need a 5" 5.5" or a 6" wheel.

If you could get them a 165 x 80 x 14 would give a 24.4" and 185 x 70 x 14 a 24". and the slightly higher 75 profile gives 24.9".

You do seem to have a nice Diff as a lot of Minors are 4.22 and we look for a 3.9 so you are in between the two.

Enjoy your searching.

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I run Peugeot wheels on mine they are 108 mm and most 15’’ will fit
Running 195x50x15’’ but had 185x55x15 last time
Now running steel wheels but had 205 alloys on it before
Lots of aftermarket wheels available for 108mm just watch the offsite....
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Here's an update. 80's Ford Granada used 14 x 5 steel wheels with correct bolt pattern. Had to cut out existing hub cap nubs and plug. From there a set of VW hubcap clips and good to go. Will post pictures once on car
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Hmm, so you've somehow managed to fit 5-stud wheels onto 4-stud hubs? :?

I'm guessing you must have used adaptors or some such trickery...


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MM wrote:
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Hmm, so you've somehow managed to fit 5-stud wheels onto 4-stud hubs? :?

I'm guessing you must have used adaptors or some such trickery...
No trickery. I’m not sure why you’re saying five lug. These are four lug wheels



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